joining me now is john nichols, washington correspondent. john, good to have you with us tonight. by rejecting the state-run exchanges, are these republicans paving the way for universal health care? >> i sure hope they are paving the way for universal health care, it's a great idea. but the fact of the matter is they are harming their own states. states are different. they have different levels of commitment to health care. many states have built out their own systems. and governor walker, who spoke about this building of a house was exactly wrong. in most states, you have the outlines of a house. what the federal government gave states the opportunity to do was to outfit that house as they chose to use what they already have in place. instead these governors are choosing a one-size-fits-all solution that will be worse in some cases. they are turning money back to the federal government at a time when we are supposed to be broke. these states that refuse to set up their own exchanges are turns tens of millions of dollars back to the federal government and doing it for only one re